Curse

Toxic OnyX · Aug 13, 2009, 10:11 AM // 10:11

You want to slow farming?

#1: "Whilst under the effects of Shadow Form you cannot take damage from any source and cannot deal conditions or damage to any source" (in essence 100% damage reduction)

This still enables godmode so an assasin could tank, but will slow farming considerably as there will never be more than 2 assasins in any team because you will need 3 man spank to deal damage.

#2: If you wanted to amend areas to make them harder to farm rather than all out nerf SF then again it is simple, "whilst under the effect of an enchantment you move 50% slower in this area if the enchantment is SF then you also suffer from 40 armor reduction" then change mobs to be be based more on Ranger trap mobs, poison or flame turrets, signet mesmers and spirit rit's (this could be done anywhere) basically the things that hit through SF. (again this would only be for certain areas and dungeons ans perma-teams on farm the places with the best drops so it affects about 6 in game areas only)

The slow down stops the assasins running over traps without damage,the armor reduction will stop the stupidity that is 125 armor on an assasin and adding mobs and things that hit through SF cause unstoppable damage and thus you again must revert to sin tank, healer and 2 spank.

Doesn't change the fact that it is without a doubt the most broken build in any game but if a-net want to keep it then there is a couple of viable solutions. (the side effect of #1 is that there can be no solo sin farmers then, meh oh well lol )

FrAnt1c² · Aug 13, 2009, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Let the people farm, nobody cares, the game is 4+ years old. If people want an obsidian armor or chaos gloves, Anet has provided an easy way to farm it.
Hell if you don't want people to make money really fast, then also nerf 55/600 invinci monk, obsi tank, hell why not even "nerf" powertrading?
Hell, You can "farm" a couple of obsi armors in a week by trading items, now what is more ridiculous? Making a ton of gold just by standing in a town shouthing "WTB /WTS" or by farming UW/FOW?

Just let it go...

shillo · Aug 13, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by Toxic OnyX

#1: "Whilst under the effects of Shadow Form you cannot take damage from any source and cannot deal conditions or damage to any source" (in essence 100% damage reduction)

Actually this could be done even simpler. Make Shadowform easy to keep up all the time (just for simplification). Functionality would be: You take no damage.

This makes SF strippable by any enchant removal (and not just Signet), and makes the Sin killable by degen or lifesteal, snareable and interruptable.

Result: No solo sin, and tanksin becomes reasonably balanced.

MithranArkanere · Aug 13, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Don't use 'nerf' in place of 'fix'.

Whatever they do, if they stop Speed Clears, that will be GOOD for everyone, specially for those that it's mostly the only thing they do.

Targren · Aug 13, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

if they stop Speed Clears, that will be GOOD for everyone, specially for those that it's mostly the only thing they do.

How could it POSSIBLY be good for them? If it's the one thing they enjoy doing, and they can't do it, that's good for them?

You are Hillary Clinton, and I claim my five pounds.

Renegade26 · Aug 13, 2009, 04:34 PM // 16:34

UWSC is the only reason im playing this game anymore. If it is nerfed out of playability then i cant play this game anymore. The monetary reward is worthless to me and I barely care about what comes out at the end, its just something to do with 7 real ppl, where I can test how I am improving based on time.

Mordakai · Aug 13, 2009, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

UWSC is the only reason im playing this game anymore. If it is nerfed out of playability then i cant play this game anymore. The monetary reward is worthless to me and I barely care about what comes out at the end, its just something to do with 7 real ppl, where I can test how I am improving based on time.

Is this a joke?

I'm not going to tell you how to play, but if getting better and better times on UWSC is the only reason you play Guild Wars, surely a fix to SF would make the game MORE fun for you?

After all, you'll get a new baseline to try and beat. A matter of fact, if UW is the only area you play, wouldn't you WANT updates to the area to keep it fresh?

Renegade26 · Aug 13, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

If they increase the challenge but keep it possible Ill probly keep at it. You seem to think that I am stuck on this game, and that if it isnt UWSC, ill do something more fun on gw ^^. Ill go play something else or whatever. It wont be gw.

Faer · Aug 13, 2009, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

where I can test how I am improving based on time.

Sounds like WoW, bro.

Dzjudz · Aug 13, 2009, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

If they increase the challenge but keep it possible Ill probly keep at it. You seem to think that I am stuck on this game, and that if it isnt UWSC, ill do something more fun on gw ^^. Ill go play something else or whatever. It wont be gw.

I thought UWSC was a means to a goal? Earning some gold so you can buy obsidian armor / rare weapon / whatever expensive item.

X-Plosiv · Aug 13, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

I thought UWSC was a means to a goal? Earning some gold so you can buy obsidian armor / rare weapon / whatever expensive item.

Not really.

There are some places in UW where you get more ectos, such as [PITS, PLAINS, WASTE, POOLS], and there are some places where you don`t get [Vale, mnts]. Chamber is somewhere between. I tend to do areas where you mostly get ectos, but every third I tend to do VALE [valesin or valenecro, same to me], where I don`t get ectos. Why? Because it`s fine doing something in duo, and I just love when I`m necro and i kill 10 creatures at once. Or when i scythe the shit out of spirits. From 10h i play, i spend 4 in UW, other 6 I`m either doing HM missions or VQ, or capping skills [got 95 factions skills in 5 days lol, so tomorrow or for 2 days going for that title on my ranger]. UW got me enough money to buy primeval armour + chaos gloves for my ranger (and got enough to buy again and again if i want cause of UWSC) [Plus might buy dragon gloves too, seen they look nice too], and to be honest, if UWSC get nerf, I would not have nothing against it, because I was talking today with guildie about one thing. I was doing waste and talking about porn [it`s not reason why I die, I SWEAR I SWEAR!!!

], and I forgot to recast SF [good thing we was 9/10 and was all at waste reaper, so one guildie tele left to catch group, other dc right to get them], but I got so used to SF that I don`t even look at it as a skill, it`s like part of assasin. That`s why I hope it get nerf, to bring game back as it used to be without SC things, because UWSC became almost robotic thing to me, and I think to most people that did atleast 250+ runs.

Yichi · Aug 13, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

If they increase the challenge but keep it possible Ill probly keep at it. You seem to think that I am stuck on this game, and that if it isnt UWSC, ill do something more fun on gw ^^. Ill go play something else or whatever. It wont be gw.

This has to be the saddest thing I read in this thread...

YunSooJin · Aug 13, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

If they increase the challenge but keep it possible Ill probly keep at it. You seem to think that I am stuck on this game, and that if it isnt UWSC, ill do something more fun on gw ^^. Ill go play something else or whatever. It wont be gw.

well they have your money anyways so.. good riddance I guess? =P

Show Some Skin · Aug 14, 2009, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

What a loss

I doubt they will do anything to SF tbh, all they do is grab a bunch of random skills and "fix" them. I think they all sit and laugh at the qq threads people make

Bob Slydell · Aug 14, 2009, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Like I said, if they change something so that UWSC is no longer possible, I leave this game.

So, you will leave the game if they make it so you can no longer use a method that lets you half-ass your way through a zone to get what you want which was never intended by the game developer?

Epic GG is epic.

furanshisuko · Aug 14, 2009, 04:59 AM // 04:59

/vote for nerf,people will start doing more balanced teams

UnChosen · Aug 14, 2009, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by furanshisuko

/vote for nerf,people will start doing more balanced teams

Didn't work for Ursan + DoA, won't work for UW/FoW either. All that will do is to reduce the place back to being solo and duo farmers' paradise, ruin all the little stuff like raptor farm and screw over pugs everywhere else trying to finish long and stressful EoTN dungeon with perma tank help. Sins would probably revert to being one of the ignored class like mesmers without CoP.

Its better if they just do a map nerf to get rid of the speed clear mechanics altogether and then increase the ecto / loot drop by like 4x for full human groups, so that soloing/duoing the place or 2P6Heroes ain't the most effective.

upier · Aug 14, 2009, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

So, you will leave the game if they make it so you can no longer use a method that lets you half-ass your way through a zone to get what you want which was never intended by the game developer?

Epic GG is epic.

Once again:

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Originally Posted by Dev Update

After repeated adjustments to both the skill and the Underworld, Shadow Form continues to dominate PvE farming. All the adjustments we have made to this style of farming have aimed to slow players down but not eliminate it as a viable farming option. We recognize the fact that farming with Shadow Form-based builds can be really fun, so we have not resorted to breaking the ability to keep Shadow Form up permanently. However, we continue to be uncomfortable with the speed in which players are able to complete various popular farming runs. We have decided to try one last time to scale down the effectiveness of Shadow Form while still allowing it to be maintained permanently.

By reducing the recharge and duration time, we force players to cast Shadow Form more frequently, which in turn increases the Energy pressure associated with maintaining the skill. For Assassins with modest Energy pools, this results in more conservative Energy management through weapon swaps and lowers damage per second as damaging skills have to be cast less frequently in favor of saving up enough Energy to cast Shadow Form again. For non-Assassin primary characters (such as the Elementalist with an Energy pool large enough to worry less about Energy pressure) this change makes maintaining Shadow Form a much more delicate balance. There is little margin of error because it requires a full spectrum of skills, consumables, and weapon swaps to simultaneously increase the duration and reduce the recharge of Shadow Form enough to maintain it permanently.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...008#Assassin_2
Not only was SF adjusted so that it could be kept up permanently, it was done so KNOWINGLY it will be used for farming. Hell, they even specifically mention UW.

Something being "broken" (as in "imbalanced", rather than being a bug) in PvE, does not mean it NEEDS to be fixed. "Balance" is a concept that is known to take one for the team, because there just are bigger priorities in PvE.

Spiritweaver · Aug 14, 2009, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by upier

Once again:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...008#Assassin_2
Not only was SF adjusted so that it could be kept up permanently, it was done so KNOWINGLY it will be used for farming. Hell, they even specifically mention UW.

Something being "broken" (as in "imbalanced", rather than being a bug) in PvE, does not mean it NEEDS to be fixed. "Balance" is a concept that is known to take one for the team, because there just are bigger priorities in PvE.

Anet have already made it clear that they don't like the ease of which areas are speed cleared. If it didn't need to be fixed Anet wouldn't have made this statement.

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However, we continue to be uncomfortable with the speed in which players are able to complete various popular farming runs. We have decided to try one last time to scale down the effectiveness of Shadow Form while still allowing it to be maintained permanently.

ne33us · Aug 14, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Let the people farm, nobody cares, the game is 4+ years old. If people want an obsidian armor or chaos gloves, Anet has provided an easy way to farm it.
Hell if you don't want people to make money really fast, then also nerf 55/600 invinci monk, obsi tank, hell why not even "nerf" powertrading?
Hell, You can "farm" a couple of obsi armors in a week by trading items, now what is more ridiculous? Making a ton of gold just by standing in a town shouthing "WTB /WTS" or by farming UW/FOW?

Just let it go...

/agree

Unfortunately, guru people live for this kind of arguments and they won't ever drop them